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			<title>In response to: global intellectuals</title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Matthew Grant [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>I do believe that "seeing a global intellectual is somehow different from watching a film star on a red carpet." It's more like seeing a singer songwriter whose words have lulled you to sleep or into the arms of a ready lover, over and over and who now, miraculously, is standing in front of you talking about Pseudo-Dionysius or the interconnections between Stalinism, Pascal, and Hitchcock. In other words, it's sublime.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I do believe that "seeing a global intellectual is somehow different from watching a film star on a red carpet." It's more like seeing a singer songwriter whose words have lulled you to sleep or into the arms of a ready lover, over and over and who now, miraculously, is standing in front of you talking about Pseudo-Dionysius or the interconnections between Stalinism, Pascal, and Hitchcock. In other words, it's sublime.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: wondering</title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>David Roden [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>Hi, Just subscribed to your blog via google reader. I'd be interested to hear more about your take on PH. 

Best, 

David (aka Turing Cop)</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi, Just subscribed to your blog via google reader. I'd be interested to hear more about your take on PH. <br />
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Best, <br />
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David (aka Turing Cop)]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: future models</title>
			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>michael roloff [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>i see, it accepts one line comments, i was going to leave the link to no end of handke sites.
google handke.scriptmania and you will get the links there. michael roloff</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[i see, it accepts one line comments, i was going to leave the link to no end of handke sites.<br />
google handke.scriptmania and you will get the links there. michael roloff]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: future models</title>
			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>michael roloff [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>your bloody site doesn't seem to accept comments. to hell with it.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[your bloody site doesn't seem to accept comments. to hell with it.<br />
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			<title>In response to: e-books and text</title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>rogeleo [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>I may agree with you partially. One of the things I find inspiring of Spinoza is his bookshelf, his very little bookshelf. And I think that one revolutionary thing about all this paperless project is that books  are going to be nearer to most contries than before. I live in Mexico, and I find great to have access to  many books (in the bnf open online library for example) that I could never find in here unless by expensive ways. 
And I understand your point, I think. What if in the near future we only have left electronic copies of Deleuze's texts, for example? 
I believe there is a possibility that physical libraries stop to exist (to grow). I don't know, and I would like to think about the possible risks about such a thing. </description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I may agree with you partially. One of the things I find inspiring of Spinoza is his bookshelf, his very little bookshelf. And I think that one revolutionary thing about all this paperless project is that books  are going to be nearer to most contries than before. I live in Mexico, and I find great to have access to  many books (in the bnf open online library for example) that I could never find in here unless by expensive ways. <br />
And I understand your point, I think. What if in the near future we only have left electronic copies of Deleuze's texts, for example? <br />
I believe there is a possibility that physical libraries stop to exist (to grow). I don't know, and I would like to think about the possible risks about such a thing. ]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: of "spirituality"</title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Serge Hanuma [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>"the image of politics I have is something more liquid, the continuum&#8217;s of intensity and flux that seem to reflect the actuality of our lives."

Very well put. And the 'actuality of our lives' being cumulative results of "power relations; as an immanent plane where power/politics are always apparent component parts of any objects."

I like this vision/experience of the world, I see things similarly.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA["the image of politics I have is something more liquid, the continuum&#8217;s of intensity and flux that seem to reflect the actuality of our lives."<br />
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Very well put. And the 'actuality of our lives' being cumulative results of "power relations; as an immanent plane where power/politics are always apparent component parts of any objects."<br />
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I like this vision/experience of the world, I see things similarly.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: Rabelais Trunk...</title>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Lee County Cape Coral Fort Myers Home short sale Help [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>woow thats alot of links my friend great share</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[woow thats alot of links my friend great share]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: science as most successful collective project</title>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>1Lee County Cape Coral Fort Myers Home short sale Help [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>I do have my Fears..
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			<title>In response to: Rabelais Trunk...</title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>sdv [Member]</dc:creator>
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			<description>yes, in part you're right in that I was also interested in the idea of what a trunk might mean in a world in which unreading is being legitimised in e-books, in the way that not watching TV and films is legitimised by recordings and consumptive urchases. Though I'm not sure that this is obvious except that the rule is that nothing may be allowed on the list unless its been read, in my own list\trunk more than once. 

Personally I'm not sure that the thought that the reading of a text (say Kavan's Ice) is the same on an e-book as it is in the Peter Owen edition on my shelf. In the same way that watching Tarkovsky's Mirror in the cinema is not te same experience as watching it on TV\dvd... The context and technology of reading does have an effect. The virtual library remains different than the trunk I think. A different gap then but still a gap....

I was surprised by how none of the ancients appeared on the list, if it had been slightly longer the balance would have shifted slightly to included more non-europeans and further back into the Indo-European. I think I'm less surprised at the lack of overlap than you are, I've always been aware and actually quite pleased by the difference here, it shows in the ten or more years of communications between us. Which is not to say that I haven't read or admired the writers  you name, just that they wouldn't be in the trunk....

Not sure about the fragility either - there are some texts that would always have been in the trunk. Duras for example. You can guess some of the others I think.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[yes, in part you're right in that I was also interested in the idea of what a trunk might mean in a world in which unreading is being legitimised in e-books, in the way that not watching TV and films is legitimised by recordings and consumptive urchases. Though I'm not sure that this is obvious except that the rule is that nothing may be allowed on the list unless its been read, in my own list\trunk more than once. <br />
<br />
Personally I'm not sure that the thought that the reading of a text (say Kavan's Ice) is the same on an e-book as it is in the Peter Owen edition on my shelf. In the same way that watching Tarkovsky's Mirror in the cinema is not te same experience as watching it on TV\dvd... The context and technology of reading does have an effect. The virtual library remains different than the trunk I think. A different gap then but still a gap....<br />
<br />
I was surprised by how none of the ancients appeared on the list, if it had been slightly longer the balance would have shifted slightly to included more non-europeans and further back into the Indo-European. I think I'm less surprised at the lack of overlap than you are, I've always been aware and actually quite pleased by the difference here, it shows in the ten or more years of communications between us. Which is not to say that I haven't read or admired the writers  you name, just that they wouldn't be in the trunk....<br />
<br />
Not sure about the fragility either - there are some texts that would always have been in the trunk. Duras for example. You can guess some of the others I think.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: Rabelais Trunk...</title>
			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>eric [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>This notion of a trunk is an interesting one, if only for the reason that we are quickly approaching an epoch in which the trunk could be carried in your pocket.  This past year I indulged myself and purshased the Kindle from Amazon, which I'm sure history will refer to as the Model T of reading devices. It's still somewhat primitive, but the future can already clearly be seen.  It's only a matter of time before this kind of device will become ubiquitous.

What's interesting about the current situation is the way the old is privileged over the new. For example, I was able to purchase the more or less complete works of authors like Plato, Aristotle, Herodotus, Lucretius, Shakespeare, Machiavelli, Austen, Woolf, Hardy, Lawrence, Darwin, Nietzsche, Twain, Lovecraft very cheaply.  Others (which would include most of those on this list) aren't even available in this format yet.

Thus there is still a gap, but the gap is narrowing.  However, the very notion that you can now carry at all times a virtual library of books that would otherwise fill a room is a little mind-boggling to say the least.

My other observation is that many of these books that you consider precious cargo are ones I've never even read. I'm surprised at the lack of overlap. I myself would tend to include more classical works (the ancients - both Europe and Asia) as well as more poetry and literature. (Beckett, Banville, Nabokov, Coetze, Joyce, Murakami, Sebald, Borges, Celan, Rilke, Olson, Whitehead among others would probably be some current choices for the latter categories)

The other thing that comes to mind is what a fragile thing a list like this is.  I think there are some obvious continuities, but I imagine the list I would make today would be very different from the list I would have made 10 years ago.   

eric</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[This notion of a trunk is an interesting one, if only for the reason that we are quickly approaching an epoch in which the trunk could be carried in your pocket.  This past year I indulged myself and purshased the Kindle from Amazon, which I'm sure history will refer to as the Model T of reading devices. It's still somewhat primitive, but the future can already clearly be seen.  It's only a matter of time before this kind of device will become ubiquitous.<br />
<br />
What's interesting about the current situation is the way the old is privileged over the new. For example, I was able to purchase the more or less complete works of authors like Plato, Aristotle, Herodotus, Lucretius, Shakespeare, Machiavelli, Austen, Woolf, Hardy, Lawrence, Darwin, Nietzsche, Twain, Lovecraft very cheaply.  Others (which would include most of those on this list) aren't even available in this format yet.<br />
<br />
Thus there is still a gap, but the gap is narrowing.  However, the very notion that you can now carry at all times a virtual library of books that would otherwise fill a room is a little mind-boggling to say the least.<br />
<br />
My other observation is that many of these books that you consider precious cargo are ones I've never even read. I'm surprised at the lack of overlap. I myself would tend to include more classical works (the ancients - both Europe and Asia) as well as more poetry and literature. (Beckett, Banville, Nabokov, Coetze, Joyce, Murakami, Sebald, Borges, Celan, Rilke, Olson, Whitehead among others would probably be some current choices for the latter categories)<br />
<br />
The other thing that comes to mind is what a fragile thing a list like this is.  I think there are some obvious continuities, but I imagine the list I would make today would be very different from the list I would have made 10 years ago.   <br />
<br />
eric]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: Rabelais Trunk...</title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>michael roloff [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>since you seem interested in handke, some handke links for you for the new year:

LINK OF LYNXES TO MOST HANDKE MATERIAL
 AND BLOGS ON THE WEB:

 http://www.handke.scriptmania.com/favorite_links_1.html 

 http://www.handke-nobel.scriptmania.com/
 

HANDKE LINKS + BLOGS SCRIPTMANIA PROJECT MAIN SITE: 

http://www.handke.scriptmania.com/index.html
- 
and sub-sites
e.g.

http://www.handkedrama.scriptmania.com/index.html

http://www.handkedrama2.scriptmania.com/index.html

http://www.handkedrama3.scriptmania.com/index.html

http://handke-drama.blogspot.com/


http://www.handkeromance.scriptmania.com/index.html

http://www.handkelectures.freeservers.com/index.html

http://www.handkescholar.scriptmania.com/index.htlm

http://www.handkebild.scriptmania.com/index.htlm

http://handke-photo.scriptmania.com/index.htlm

http://www.handke-nobel.scriptmania.com/index.html

http://www.handkeprose.scriptmania.com/

http://www.handkeprose2.scriptmania.com/index.html

http://www.handkefilm.scriptmania.com/index.html

http://handke-watch.blogspot.com/
[moravian nights discussion, etc]
 
the newest:
http://handke-photo.scriptmania.com/ 
bpth have the psychoanalytic monograph
http://analytic-comments.blogspot.com/
 


http://www.handkelectures.freeservers.com/index.html 
[the drama lecture]
http://www.van.at/see/mike/index.htm
[dem handke auf die schliche/besuch auf dem Moenchsberg, a book of mine about Handke]

http://begleitschreiben.twoday.net/topics/Peter+Handke/

http://handke-discussion.blogspot.com/
the  American Scholar caused controversy about Handke, reviews, detailed of Coury/ Pilipp's THE WORKS OF PETER HANDKE, the psycho-biological monograph/ a note on Velica Hoca/ open letter to Robert Silvers + NYRB re: JS Marcus..  

With three photo albums, to wit:

http://picasaweb.google.com/mikerol

http://picasaweb.google.com/mikerol/HANDKE3ONLINE# 

http://picasaweb.google.com/mikerol/HANDKE2ONLINE# 

http://picasaweb.google.com/mikerol/POSTED?authkey=YeKkFSE3-Js#

http://www.handke-trivia.blogspot.com
http://www.artscritic.blogspot.co
[some handke material, too, the Milosevic controversy summarized]

 MICHAEL ROLOFF
http://analytic-comments.blogspot.com/ 
http://www.facebook.com/mike.roloff1?ref=name
Member Seattle Psychoanalytic Institute and Society
This LYNX will LEAP you to my HANDKE project sites and BLOGS:
http://www.roloff.freehosting.net/index.html
"MAY THE FOGGY DEW BEDIAMONDIZE YOUR HOOSPRINGS! +
THE FIREPLUG OF FILIALITY REINSURE YOUR BUNGHOLE!" {J. Joyce}
"Sryde Lyde Myde Vorworde Vorhorde Vorborde" [von Alvensleben]

 
 
 
 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[since you seem interested in handke, some handke links for you for the new year:<br />
<br />
LINK OF LYNXES TO MOST HANDKE MATERIAL<br />
 AND BLOGS ON THE WEB:<br />
<br />
 http://www.handke.scriptmania.com/favorite_links_1.html <br />
<br />
 http://www.handke-nobel.scriptmania.com/<br />
 <br />
<br />
HANDKE LINKS + BLOGS SCRIPTMANIA PROJECT MAIN SITE: <br />
<br />
http://www.handke.scriptmania.com/index.html<br />
- <br />
and sub-sites<br />
e.g.<br />
<br />
http://www.handkedrama.scriptmania.com/index.html<br />
<br />
http://www.handkedrama2.scriptmania.com/index.html<br />
<br />
http://www.handkedrama3.scriptmania.com/index.html<br />
<br />
http://handke-drama.blogspot.com/<br />
<br />
<br />
http://www.handkeromance.scriptmania.com/index.html<br />
<br />
http://www.handkelectures.freeservers.com/index.html<br />
<br />
http://www.handkescholar.scriptmania.com/index.htlm<br />
<br />
http://www.handkebild.scriptmania.com/index.htlm<br />
<br />
http://handke-photo.scriptmania.com/index.htlm<br />
<br />
http://www.handke-nobel.scriptmania.com/index.html<br />
<br />
http://www.handkeprose.scriptmania.com/<br />
<br />
http://www.handkeprose2.scriptmania.com/index.html<br />
<br />
http://www.handkefilm.scriptmania.com/index.html<br />
<br />
http://handke-watch.blogspot.com/<br />
[moravian nights discussion, etc]<br />
 <br />
the newest:<br />
http://handke-photo.scriptmania.com/ <br />
bpth have the psychoanalytic monograph<br />
http://analytic-comments.blogspot.com/<br />
 <br />
<br />
<br />
http://www.handkelectures.freeservers.com/index.html <br />
[the drama lecture]<br />
http://www.van.at/see/mike/index.htm<br />
[dem handke auf die schliche/besuch auf dem Moenchsberg, a book of mine about Handke]<br />
<br />
http://begleitschreiben.twoday.net/topics/Peter+Handke/<br />
<br />
http://handke-discussion.blogspot.com/<br />
the  American Scholar caused controversy about Handke, reviews, detailed of Coury/ Pilipp's THE WORKS OF PETER HANDKE, the psycho-biological monograph/ a note on Velica Hoca/ open letter to Robert Silvers + NYRB re: JS Marcus..  <br />
<br />
With three photo albums, to wit:<br />
<br />
http://picasaweb.google.com/mikerol<br />
<br />
http://picasaweb.google.com/mikerol/HANDKE3ONLINE# <br />
<br />
http://picasaweb.google.com/mikerol/HANDKE2ONLINE# <br />
<br />
http://picasaweb.google.com/mikerol/POSTED?authkey=YeKkFSE3-Js#<br />
<br />
http://www.handke-trivia.blogspot.com<br />
http://www.artscritic.blogspot.co<br />
[some handke material, too, the Milosevic controversy summarized]<br />
<br />
 MICHAEL ROLOFF<br />
http://analytic-comments.blogspot.com/ <br />
http://www.facebook.com/mike.roloff1?ref=name<br />
Member Seattle Psychoanalytic Institute and Society<br />
This LYNX will LEAP you to my HANDKE project sites and BLOGS:<br />
http://www.roloff.freehosting.net/index.html<br />
"MAY THE FOGGY DEW BEDIAMONDIZE YOUR HOOSPRINGS! +<br />
THE FIREPLUG OF FILIALITY REINSURE YOUR BUNGHOLE!" {J. Joyce}<br />
"Sryde Lyde Myde Vorworde Vorhorde Vorborde" [von Alvensleben]<br />
<br />
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			<title>In response to: Grosz, Bergson, Evolution (for E)</title>
			<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>bioxplorer [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>I quite new to philosophy, but definitely in deep of biology (and especially molecular evolution). The post turns into completely different prospect my understanding of that matter...
Is the post a review of a book or study and from where I could find it in electronic format...

thank you in advance!</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I quite new to philosophy, but definitely in deep of biology (and especially molecular evolution). The post turns into completely different prospect my understanding of that matter...<br />
Is the post a review of a book or study and from where I could find it in electronic format...<br />
<br />
thank you in advance!]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: philosophy and academy</title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>felicity [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>Definitely Kristeva. 

I know what you mean. I'm working on the tension between 'magic' and 'technology' in representations of the 'spritual'. All critics involved so far are male. Until I whack a huge slice on gender transformation in, that is.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Definitely Kristeva. <br />
<br />
I know what you mean. I'm working on the tension between 'magic' and 'technology' in representations of the 'spritual'. All critics involved so far are male. Until I whack a huge slice on gender transformation in, that is.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: philosophy and academy</title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>felicity [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>Definitely Kristeva. 

I know what you mean. I'm working on the tension between 'magic' and 'technology' in representations of the 'spritual'. All critics involved so far are male. Until I whack a huge slice on gender transformation in, that is.</description>
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I know what you mean. I'm working on the tension between 'magic' and 'technology' in representations of the 'spritual'. All critics involved so far are male. Until I whack a huge slice on gender transformation in, that is.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: philosophy and academy</title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>felicity [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>Definitely Kristeva. I know what you mean. I'm working on the tension between 'magic' and 'technology' in representations of the 'spritual'. All critics involved so far are male. Until I whack a huge slice on gender transformation in, that is.</description>
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			<title>In response to:  nihil unbound, fashion and tradition</title>
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			<description>thanks</description>
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			<title>In response to: politics</title>
			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>sdv [Member]</dc:creator>
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			<description>Fair enough...

Before we get to phrase below it&#8217;s perhaps worth saying that as I said i&#8217;m not interested in exploring the context of &#8216;politics&#8217; and its relations to meta-political theories or ontology. Not withstanding these caveats I would suggest that politics is and always has been relational, it is not necessarily restricted to human-centred interrelations. Though human anthopomorphism tends to assume that it must be. Further I reject the downgrading of small institutional politics which is negatively assessed as &#8216;office politics&#8217; and would say that this constructs a limit on the political which is unnecessary, irrelevant and depoliticizing of peoples workplaces. It places your entire position in danger of collapsing the very moment that the local &#8216;office politics&#8217; explodes into politics.

The main point however is related to the following for it defines politics, as a discourse&#8230; &#8220;it is that discourse that asks after the ideals guiding, and the instrumental considerations governing, collective action and the collective action that arises from it&#8230;.&#8221; &#8230; Because the definition is inverted, political discourse describes the political events and acts that have already happened. It describes the present and the future in terms derived from the past. Which to my mind is precisely what you are doing in the understanding of the political that you are repeating here. So I would say instead that &#8216;Political discourse describes the ideals and the actions, whether they are liberal, conservative or socialist, in terms of the known&#8217; with the consequence that &#8216;&#8230;it is always unable to anticipate what politics will consist of&#8230;.&#8217;

Consequently &#8211; a minimal radical political discourse must understand and assume that all human relations, whether to other humans or non-humans are always political. We may not know this at the time but history is full of occurances, moments when an event, an act happens which constitutes, unfolds into a new politics. i.e. 1905 (suffragettes assaulting policement to get arrested), animal rights (Peter Singers book) and so on.

Finally then &#8211; i think it is critical that politics is defined not only against actual human politics but also to consider the political as immanent, a plane on which we all live, breathe and die. And let us have no assumptions that it has anything to do with human liberation &#8211; the desire for oppression is far to prevalent for that.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Fair enough...<br />
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Before we get to phrase below it&#8217;s perhaps worth saying that as I said i&#8217;m not interested in exploring the context of &#8216;politics&#8217; and its relations to meta-political theories or ontology. Not withstanding these caveats I would suggest that politics is and always has been relational, it is not necessarily restricted to human-centred interrelations. Though human anthopomorphism tends to assume that it must be. Further I reject the downgrading of small institutional politics which is negatively assessed as &#8216;office politics&#8217; and would say that this constructs a limit on the political which is unnecessary, irrelevant and depoliticizing of peoples workplaces. It places your entire position in danger of collapsing the very moment that the local &#8216;office politics&#8217; explodes into politics.<br />
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The main point however is related to the following for it defines politics, as a discourse&#8230; &#8220;it is that discourse that asks after the ideals guiding, and the instrumental considerations governing, collective action and the collective action that arises from it&#8230;.&#8221; &#8230; Because the definition is inverted, political discourse describes the political events and acts that have already happened. It describes the present and the future in terms derived from the past. Which to my mind is precisely what you are doing in the understanding of the political that you are repeating here. So I would say instead that &#8216;Political discourse describes the ideals and the actions, whether they are liberal, conservative or socialist, in terms of the known&#8217; with the consequence that &#8216;&#8230;it is always unable to anticipate what politics will consist of&#8230;.&#8217;<br />
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Consequently &#8211; a minimal radical political discourse must understand and assume that all human relations, whether to other humans or non-humans are always political. We may not know this at the time but history is full of occurances, moments when an event, an act happens which constitutes, unfolds into a new politics. i.e. 1905 (suffragettes assaulting policement to get arrested), animal rights (Peter Singers book) and so on.<br />
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Finally then &#8211; i think it is critical that politics is defined not only against actual human politics but also to consider the political as immanent, a plane on which we all live, breathe and die. And let us have no assumptions that it has anything to do with human liberation &#8211; the desire for oppression is far to prevalent for that.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: politics</title>
			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Deontologistics [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>I must admit I'm interested to know why. Could you enlighten me?</description>
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			<title>In response to: A Letter to Eric, becoming democracy</title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>sdv [Member]</dc:creator>
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			<description>I think that your first paragraph is really useful in expanding the possible ways of understanding the work, of understanding politics and democracy in a way exterior to the traditional understandings of politics related all to usually through 'parliamentary' politics. As you know I have an understanding of politics which translates into something very close, probably identical to this description. So yes I think that the concept of the multitude does work within both a notion of becoming-democratic or an immanent 'democracy without organs' - it's especially effective for me because with most political concepts its necessary to be especially careful regarding oppression - for example a particularist politics such as 'gay politics' can become 'gay facism' as well as a force for liberation. Whereas Multitude in its utopianism is defined against a counter concept, if you are anti-democratic you cannot be, finally (I think) of the multitude... so yes i like this democracy without organs version.

And we do not know what a body politic is capable of, can it be democratic ? can it be responsible for the world rather than for economics, class and exploitation ?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I think that your first paragraph is really useful in expanding the possible ways of understanding the work, of understanding politics and democracy in a way exterior to the traditional understandings of politics related all to usually through 'parliamentary' politics. As you know I have an understanding of politics which translates into something very close, probably identical to this description. So yes I think that the concept of the multitude does work within both a notion of becoming-democratic or an immanent 'democracy without organs' - it's especially effective for me because with most political concepts its necessary to be especially careful regarding oppression - for example a particularist politics such as 'gay politics' can become 'gay facism' as well as a force for liberation. Whereas Multitude in its utopianism is defined against a counter concept, if you are anti-democratic you cannot be, finally (I think) of the multitude... so yes i like this democracy without organs version.<br />
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And we do not know what a body politic is capable of, can it be democratic ? can it be responsible for the world rather than for economics, class and exploitation ?<br />
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			<title>In response to: A Letter to Eric, becoming democracy</title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>eric [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>Steve,

Another way to phrase this would be, perhaps, to speak of a democracy without organs. without the parlimentary procedures, media constructions, lobbying, party systems and other aspects of the state that regulate the flow and morph it into the status quo.  This is what I think Negri and Hardt are really getting at when they speak about the Multitude, a kind of DWO which can productively become and which the powers-that-be would like to render inert or at least manageable. 

This leads to a new conception because we still do not know what a body politic can do. Perhaps the resurrection of the body and the mystical body of Christ are glimmerings, in a crude religious sense, of a politics-yet-to-be.  A new heaven and a new earth, a return to the cybernetic Garden of Eden where we eat again of the tree of life and know the ecstasy of the everyday adventure beyond the box of the 9 to 5 or 24/7.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Steve,<br />
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Another way to phrase this would be, perhaps, to speak of a democracy without organs. without the parlimentary procedures, media constructions, lobbying, party systems and other aspects of the state that regulate the flow and morph it into the status quo.  This is what I think Negri and Hardt are really getting at when they speak about the Multitude, a kind of DWO which can productively become and which the powers-that-be would like to render inert or at least manageable. <br />
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This leads to a new conception because we still do not know what a body politic can do. Perhaps the resurrection of the body and the mystical body of Christ are glimmerings, in a crude religious sense, of a politics-yet-to-be.  A new heaven and a new earth, a return to the cybernetic Garden of Eden where we eat again of the tree of life and know the ecstasy of the everyday adventure beyond the box of the 9 to 5 or 24/7.<br />
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eric]]></content:encoded>
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