Not accepting the default assumption that all social constructions are ‘real’ but are constructions does not mean that I am being quasi-religious, internal to their discourse religions are realisms. The default understanding of an anti-realist is to assume that the object is invented, constructed. Why would religion be considered as any different from racism, sexism, sheep, domesticity, the quark or popular genetics ? The list of comparable objects and events is long but not limitless.
A comment then “My concern with both of you is that you seem to refuse the insights of evolutionary psychology and neurology to understand religious phenomena because you seem to want to foreclose prematurely on understanding it by simply labelling it instead as a kind reactionary ideology based on superstition. ” A scientific proposition which addresses an ideological/social construction and consequently reproduces religion as a unique set of real phenomena is not a scientific phenomena that I can consider as valid. It is difficult and perhaps impossible to separate the religious phenomena from the ideological concept that is being supported by the misidentification of ‘religious phenomena’. It has the equivalent status as the assumption that since homosexuality exists as a social phenomena no society can exist without the concept of ‘homosexuality’, whereas in fact ‘homosexuality’ has nothing to do with male/male and female/female desire, it is an ideological concept that exists because of very particular societal requirements. Science which declares the existence of a ‘gay gene’ is carrying out a purely ideological operation that is founded on a society that requires the social concept of homosexuality be proven to have a cause. It is this same ideological operation which the science that declares that ‘religion’ is understandable as a phenomena having a genetic, neurological and physical cause which is encoded in some peoples genes is engaged in. What is present as science is much better understood as an ideological operation and only afterwards as a phenomena worthy of scientific investigation. (they are of course the wrong sciences, but this scarcely matters). The problem is that science frequently presents ideological facts as ‘real’ as if evolutionary psychology and neurology are producing scientific laws equivalent to the second law of thermodynamics and clearly they are not. There can be no matheme that describes religion and religious phenomena, because they are simply social constructs. We can perhaps leave the question of whether the matheme itself is a wrong turn for another time.
A second comment was this “…A cynic might argue that you both hold such a position because your ‘everything is politics’ stance tends to mask a quasi-religious position itself and you are afraid that rational scrutiny in this area might hit too close to home…” Politics is immanent, where there are human beings there will always be the political. That we believe it is necessary to extend the concept beyond the human realm, for reasons to do with the radical extension of equality and equivalence out from the current reactionary and truncated form, to pre-establish an alliance with the non-human is not in any sense quasi-religious, it is however a deliberate political and philosophical decision, axiomatic to a fault. How to distinguish “…political and religious movements…” ? Everything is political, not everything is religious, where now we exist in societies where science and scientists function as jurists supporting the state, from physics, biologists, economists and beyond, ((Even the quasi-religious Bush regime depended on its coterie of western Economists arguing for the free-market and increased globalization, the support for capital coming ever closer to destroying the world)). Whereas religion is increasingly restricted to the social personal areas on the margins of our societies. Margins to be understood in the sense of marginalized from power, authority and juridical issues. The other aspect of this is that all aspects of human existence are always political; science (physics, biology, economics, the psychological sciences), religion (who can forget the extraordinary struggle of homosexuality in the Anglican churches?, the Islamist fatwas on writers !) - no all human ground is political and it always has been. Before the neolithic invention of farming, perhaps even as far back as the first hominids inventing tools - the political. And that in brief is how I would distinguish the political from quarks and religion, in brief one could be called eternal whilst the others are temporal…